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EPROM Programmer progress and formatting 8870 drives.

16/3/2011

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On a happy note, the NIROS 3.3 manual translation to English is now complete; I just need to sort the document formatting but that won't take long. My translator did a pretty good job but there were some interesting oddities.
Reading the last part, I noticed the word "trail" kept cropping up... this should actually be "track" as the text was talking about disk platters. Still, it's perfectly understandable but I may update it.

Work is progressing on my EPROM reader / programmer unit. Schematics are completed, PCB layout is also just about done (am waiting for a parts delivery to just check board space for one of the connectors), and then I can etch, drill and assembler the PCB, and after all that, there’s some firmware and PC software to write. It’s going to take a little while to complete but I think it will be well worth it. It will be able to support reading / programming and testing pretty much any type of ROM / RAM or EPROM and once completed, should allow me to make some image copies of the ROMS/EPROMS using within the various 8870 boards and peripherals.

I've also managed to format the two 8870 M25 drives I have.

During my previous attempts to backup the system disk on my first M25 (backups that kept failing for various reasons), there must have been enough of the operating system copied to the tape to allow me to boot from SMC, and run the formatter program. The formatter took around 5 mins to run and didn’t find a problem on either drive.

A couple of things worth noting here for those that may need to know.
The system I have doesn’t like to boot from SMC on a warm re-IPL. You need to have the system switched off, power on from the master port, and then quickly insert the SMC and close the drive door.
If the system attempts to boot from disk (you will get a CPU #0 INIT or just INIT) prompt, quickly press the R1 to R4 keys on the master port. I can’t figure out which of these keys actually interrupts the IPL process, but one of them does You can then tell the system to IPL from the backup tape by entering a “1” next to the INIT prompt, and pressing CR when the cursor appears.

You will eventually get a short Selector menu up on the screen (probably in German).
Option 1: Disk formatter.
Option 2: System recovery
Option 3: Shutdown

Options 1 and 2 need to load software from the backup tape, so give it a few minutes to load.

The other thing I noticed is that there was a LOT of SMC tape transport and the system was constantly moving the tape. This seems to be normal but takes some time so be patient.
Also, on a DAP 4, you may see the L1 to L4 lights flash, or change status every now and again and once again, this is normal. The DAP workstation program is also loaded from tape.

Those that have read my previous posts will know that the only operating system I had was on one of the system drives and was badly corrupted, so I had nothing to lose from formatting the drives just to see if they are actually serviceable; don’t try this at home unless you have SEVERAL copies of your operating system securely backed up on tape.

So, it looks like the drives are ok, and I just need an operating system... anybody ????
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One thing… leads to another…

8/3/2011

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As part of the 8870 documentation process, I thought it would be sensible to make copies of all EPROMS and ROMS contained within the hardware (system boards and terminals). Early 8870 hardware often had EPROMS and these can “fade” over time so it’s sensible to have images from known working devices stored safe and sound.

The first place I decided to start was with the EPROMS / ROMS stored in the DAP4 CPU board. However, and there’s always a however with Nixdorf hardware, the EPROMS are actually 2516’s and these use a different pin-out to standard 2716 devices and they also need 25v for the programming cycle; this means my old and trusty EPROM programmer won’t program them, and more of an issue, won’t read them either. I could make an adapter board to allow them to at least be read, but my friend VAXMAN mentioned that he had some 2708 EPROMS he would like to read and these devices are complete pigs to use; they need +5, -5, +12 and +25v and there’s no way my programmer will ever handle these. So I decided it’s time to design and build a new one. Whilst I’m at it, I’m taking the opportunity to build-in some additional features that I’ve always found missing. I want it to be able to handle just about any EPROM available, RAM chips, and be able to be used as a ROMULATOR (ROM Emulator).

Once it’s done, I’ll post the design, PCB foils etc. here for those that are interested. I may even build you one if you ask nicely!!

I’m still hunting around for a NIROS operating system but so far, I’ve not had much luck. I have been in contact with somebody who has a rather large Nixdorf 8870 collection but most of his equipment isn’t currently running and I’ve offered my services to help him get things going. Perhaps we can salvage an op-sys off one of his systems.
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DAP4 being eatern by a leaking lithium battery.
This reminds me… those of you who are holding onto old equipment, Nixdorf, DEC, IBM, whatever, please.. PLEASE make sure that you check terminals for batteries (rechargeable or lithium) and any battery backup systems contained within your main chassis. These batteries leak and do terrible damage if left unchecked. Go on… go check now, you may be just in time to stop one of your system boards being eaten.


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Still making progress... even if it's slow...

7/3/2011

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Things are still a little slow on the 8870 front right now, but I’m still making progress.

Ioana is making excellent progress on translating my German NIROS 3.3 manual to English; it’s around 80% complete and the quality of the translation is excellent. She’s going to go crazy when she sees my Niros 5.0 and Engineering manuals.

I found another supplier in the USA that had five SMC tapes that should fit my M25; assuming I ever get it running again, but the supplier didn’t answer my Emails about how much it was going to cost me to have them posted back to the UK, so my friend Max who lives in Huntsville, USA (apparently he moved there for the night life), stepped in and bought them for me and will then arrange onward shipping to me when he gets them.

I’ve located a working Quattro 40 in Germany and “think” I’ve figured out how I’m going to get it back to the UK without breaking the bank. The chap selling it is on holiday for a while now so I’ve still got time to fine-tune my cunning plan.

I also want to spend some time documenting the VDU connection cables. There are two main types of cable; one for the Master Port connection, and one type for IHSS port connections. I’ve never seen these cable specifications documented, and these cables are often lost or damaged when systems are removed from site so I think it’s worth making the effort to document them now.
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