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Second Chassis

14/6/2014

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I've previously stated that I've obtained three M25s over the last few years and number 3 pictured above is in a really sorry state. I've no idea what happened to it but it looks like it's either been dropped or a lorry hit it. You can see the crack down the top of the left-hand side. Also, both the top and bottom tier cages are bent. Amazingly the backplanes are intact and all the plates and disk drive were still working when tested in my main machine.

Anyway, this thing has been taking up valuable space so I thought it worth removing anything of value and scrapping the rest. Absolutely everything electrical has been removed including the fans and plastic plate-slot blanks. The outer shell will go to the scrap-metal people.

However, I have a second chassis that's in a perfectly serviceable state once it's been cleaned, so I've decided to construct a second machine.

I'll be taking pictures thought it's rebuilt process, but not during it's tear-down. This second chassis was absolutely filthy and mice had been living in it and I didn't fancy having to keep washing my hands to hold my camera just to take a couple of pictures. You will be able to view the re-build pictures in reverse if you want to see how to tear-down a system :)

As for what I'm going to do with it, it will replace my current chassis as I cut a couple of corners when cleaning it originally, and there are a couple of jobs that I wish I'd done.

Once this second chassis is up and running, I'll gut the first one for all the useful bits and either drop it on Ebay as just an empty chassis (at least it's clean), or off to the scrap metal dealer. Nobody except me seems to what this stuff anyway.



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Back to playing

3/6/2014

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It's been a while since I've done anything with either this website or my 8870's - something that I'm eager to change.

As time allows, I've been slowly collecting documentation, experimenting and just trying to get re-acquainted with how things work. I'm amazed at how much I've forgotten over the years.

So currently, this is the state of play.

I've actually got three 8870 M25 chassis. One is in my workshop and running fine. The other two are in the garage. With one of them at least, I've no reason to assume that if I added plates, PSU and a disk, wouldn't spring back to life, though it needs a darn good clean before I attempt that.

The other chassis is in a real sorry state. I think it's electrically sound but the plastic outer shell is in a terrible state. It looks like it's either been dropped or somebody backed a lorry into it.

I've removed all the "good" stuff from both the above chassis and I've tested all these items one by one in my working machine and so far pretty much everything seems to be working ok. This means that I've got spare disk drives, CPUs, ALMs, PSUs and disk controllers and if I had serviceable chassis I could built another machine if needed.

Still only got the one working DAP4 and no working DAP spare parts which is a worry.

I've got copies of the NIROS 3.3 and 5.0 manuals, and a BASIC 7.0 manual plus some other assorted operator and technical manuals - all in German unfortunately for me though I did have had the NIROS 3.3 manual translated to English.

I've one working ND11 printer, a couple of new ribbons and a SAS cable (printer to DAP). I've got another ND11 that's in the garage right now but I've not tested it.

I've a working Niros 7.0/03 operating system (German again unfortunately) but at least it didn't have User Administration installed, and I eventually managed to find somebody who knew the system password - my memory is terrible.

Interestingly, the first system that I obtained was running Niros EX but the disk was corrupted and the system eventually failed - it was deleting more and more files every time it booted which was a real shame. However, the curious thing was that it had a 1537 CPU fitted, not the latter 1559 that we were always told was a pre-requisite for Niros EX.

My current plan is to harvest the back planes and everything else removable from the damaged chassis, and I'll probably sell the other one as just an empty chassis as I'm not letting any of my spare parts go.


Anyway, that's the situation currently


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A bit of American Nixdorf history

14/5/2011

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I had an Email from Charlie in the USA the other day and I've posted his comments here as they provide some usefull background information to early Nixdorf - thanks Charlie for the info.

I worked for Nixdorf Computer for 10 years and sold some of the first 8870s in the US. The first machines sold here were US assembled from purchased components (DCC CPU, Disk, IRIS O/S, etc.). The were too slow for more than 2 or 3 terminals

Nixdorf Computer AG then began manufacturing them in-house in Germany and eventually phased out the US Assembly line in Schaumburg, IL. I also sold the first COMET system (s/w) that was sold as an alternative to NIDAS (original bill, post and inventory package sold to small businesses).

Nixdorf acquired ENTREX (key to disk) about 1977 which led to the 8850 line (Extrex made the 280, 380, 480 and 600 series Data Entry systems). US HQ was moved to Burlington, MA (and later Waltham). Nixdorf added the 8890 (plug compatible mainframe); tried WP for a short time - 8840, Communications boxes - 8860 (competed with IBM 8100) and even PC's -- 8810 --- none were really successful.

It was a fun company to work for, but they never had stable US Management which led to their demise.
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